Daniel 8: 1-27 The Ram and the Goat

1  In the third year of the reign of king Baltasar, a vision appeared to me. I Daniel, after what I had seen in the beginning,

2 Saw in my vision when I was in the castle of Susa, which is in the province of Elam: and I saw in the vision that I was over the gate of Ulai.

3 And I lifted up my eyes, and saw: and behold a ram stood before the water, having two high horns, and one higher than the other, and growing up.

4 Afterward I saw the ram pushing with his horns against the west, and against the north, and against the south: and no beasts could withstand him, nor be delivered out of his hand: and he did according to his own will, and became great.

5 And I understood: and behold a he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and he touched not the ground, and the he goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

6 And he went up to the ram that had the horns, which I had seen standing before the gate, and he ran towards him in the force of his strength.

7 And when he was come near the ram, he was enraged against him, and struck the ram: and broke his two horns, and the ram could not withstand him: and when he had cast him down on the ground, he stamped upon him, and none could deliver the ram out of his hand.

8 And the he goat became exceeding great: and when he was grown, the great horn was broken, and there came up four horns under it towards the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn: and it became great against the south, and against the east, and against the strength.

10 And it was magnified even unto the strength of heaven: and it threw down of the strength, and of the stars, and trod upon them.

11 And it was magnified even to the prince of the strength: and it took away from him the continual sacrifice, and cast down the place of his sanctuary.

12 And strength was given him against the continual sacrifice, because of sins: and truth shall be cast down on the ground, and he shall do and shall prosper.

13 And I heard one of the saints speaking, and one saint said to another, I know not to whom that was speaking: How long shall be the vision, concerning the continual sacrifice, and the sin of the desolation that is made: and the sanctuary, and the strength be trodden under foot?

14 And he said to him: Unto evening and morning two thousand three hundred days: and the sanctuary shall be cleansed.

15 And it came to pass when I Daniel saw the vision, and sought the meaning, that behold there stood before me as it were the appearance of a man.

16 And I heard the voice of a man between Ulai: and he called, and said: Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 And he came and stood near where I stood: and when he was come, I fell on my face trembling, and he said to me: Understand, O son of man, for in the time of the end the vision shall be fulfilled.

18 And when he spoke to me I fell flat on the ground: and he touched me, and set me upright,

19 And he said to me: I will shew thee what things are to come to pass in the end of the malediction: for the time hath its end.

20 The ram, which thou sawest with horns, is the king of the Medes and Persians.

21 And the he goat, is the king of the Greeks, and the great horn that was between his eyes, the same is the first king.

22 But whereas when that was broken, there arose up four for it: four kings shall rise up of his nation, but not with his strength.

23 And after their reign, when iniquities shall be grown up, there shall arise a king of a shameless face, and understanding dark sentences.

24 And his power shall be strengthened, but not by his own force: and he shall lay all things waste, and shall prosper, and do more than can be believed. And he shall destroy the mighty, and the people of the saints,

25 According to his will, and craft shall be successful in his hand: and his heart shall be puffed up, and in the abundance of all things he shall kill many: and he shall rise up against the prince of princes, and shall be broken without hand.

26 And the vision of the evening and the morning, which was told, is true: thou therefore seal up the vision, because it shall come to pass after many days.

27 And I Daniel languished, and was sick for some days: and when I was risen up, I did the king’s business, and I was astonished at the vision, and there was none that could interpret it.

Old Testament Fulfillment

The prophecy about the goat with 2 horns, one bigger than the other and the ram with 1 horn that is broken and 4 emerge is explained for us by Scripture.  The Old Testament fulfillment of this prophecy is that the kingdom of the Mede-Persians (two horns, one bigger than the other because Persia was more powerful than the Medes), is conquered by the Greeks.  The Greeks were led by Alexander the Great (the Ram with one horn), and Alexander conquered with blinding speed.  He moved so fast that it was if he didn’t even touch the ground.

Alexander died and his kingdom was broken into 4 parts.  They were given to his 4 generals Seleucid, Ptolemy, Cassander and Lysimachus.  These are the 4 horns that grew once the one horn was broken.  It was from one of these kingdoms, namely Seleucid, that Antiochus IV Ephiphanes was to arise.  He ruled over the area of Jerusalem-Judea, which used to belong to Ptolemy but was taken from that kingdom during the Syrian wars.

Antiochus IV Ephiphanes marched into the Temple and stopped the continual sacrifice.  He also was given power over God’s people as he desecrated their Temple and forced them into apostasy.

New Testament Fulfillment

The New Testament fulfillment of this prophecy involves the same world powers that were part of the New Testament fulfillment of the statue of Nebuchadnezzar, click here.  Since the entire history of the Catholic Church is prefigured by the entire history of Israel in the Old Testament, then the fulfillments of the prophecies from the Old Testament also have another fulfillment in the paralleled New Testament counterparts.

Since we know that the 2 horned goat is fulfilled in the Old Testament by the Mede-Persian kingdom, and we know that the one horned ram is fulfilled by Alexander the Great, then it is simple to see the New Testament parallels to these prophecies.  From our material concerning the Lateran Treaty and Hitler (click here), we can easily see that the Fascists are the New Testament parallel of the Mede-Persians.  We can deduce that Hitler is the larger horn and Mussolini is the smaller horn on the 2 horned goat.

From our material concerning Vatican II and Novus Ordo (click here), we can see that the United Nations, led by Franklin Delano Roosevelt, are the New Testament Greek Empire.  Alexander conquered the Mede-Persians and Franklin Roosevelt defeated the Fascists.  Franklin Delano Roosevelt is the new Alexander the Great, since they both reigned 12 years, conquered a vast territory very quickly, they both died suddenly after their conquest, and their conquered territory was divided up into 4 parts, among the components of the conquering force.

Alexander’s empire was divided into 4 parts, as mentioned above.  Germany (and Europe) was divided up into 4 spheres of influence between the Americans, Soviets, French and the British.  These were the major forces in the Allied powers, or the United Nations.

Alexander’s Empire divided into 4 parts.  Judea is originally ruled over by Ptolemy (green), but later comes to be ruled over by Seleucid (yellow).  It is from the Seleucid empire that eventually King Antiochus IV Epiphanes will come to power and horribly persecute the Jews, invade the Temple and stop the continual sacrifice.

Germany was conquered by the Allied forces, led by Franklin Delano Roosevelt.  However, he died suddenly and Germany was broken into 4 parts, as seen above.

The most powerful countries of the 4 partitions were the Soviet Union and America.  These two countries battled for Italy from World War II until the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.  The two major political parties of Italy for that time were the Christian Democratic party and the Communist party.  The Democratic party kept control over Italy, however the Vatican was invaded by Communism at Vatican II.  The Tridentine Mass, the continual sacrifice, was halted in Churches across the world after Nov. 28th 1971.

Old Testament/New Testament Prophecy Fulfillment Comparison (line by line)

Daniel 8: 3-4

3 And I lifted up my eyes, and saw: and behold a ram stood before the water, having two high horns, and one higher than the other, and growing up.

4 Afterward I saw the ram pushing with his horns against the west, and against the north, and against the south: and no beasts could withstand him, nor be delivered out of his hand: and he did according to his own will, and became great.

Old Testament

The Mede-Persian empire had two horns, since a horn is a symbol of power, and since the Medes and Persians shared power in this empire, then the 2 horns symbolize the Medes and Persians.  However, the Persian power was greater than the Medes.  The Mede Persian empire conquered northward, westward and southward, and no army or force would stop the power of the Mede-Persians.

New Testament

The Fascists of World War II are the New Testament version of the Mede Persians.  The two horns of Hitler and Mussolini kicked up against the north, west and south.  However, they could not attack eastward because of the Soviet Union.  The Fascists were very strong and conquered most of Europe.

Daniel 8: 5-7

5 And I understood: and behold a he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and he touched not the ground, and the he goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

6 And he went up to the ram that had the horns, which I had seen standing before the gate, and he ran towards him in the force of his strength.

7 And when he was come near the ram, he was enraged against him, and struck the ram: and broke his two horns, and the ram could not withstand him: and when he had cast him down on the ground, he stamped upon him, and none could deliver the ram out of his hand.

Old Testament

Alexander and his armies came from Macedonia and Greece with blinding speed, and it was like he wasn’t even touching the ground.  The one horn is Alexander the Great, who led the Greek forces.  Alexander crashed into the Mede-Persian Empire and fell upon them with fury.  He defeated the Medes and the Persians and Alexander ruled the ancient world.

New Testament

Franklin Delano Roosevelt spearheaded and organized the Allied Powers, or the United Nations.  The American army amassed a very large military force and flew and sailed across the Atlantic Ocean, without touching the ground.  The Allies attacked with strength and defeated Hitler and Mussolini.  The Allies controlled Europe after World War II.

Daniel 8: 8-9

8 And the he goat became exceeding great: and when he was grown, the great horn was broken, and there came up four horns under it towards the four winds of heaven.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn: and it became great against the south, and against the east, and against the strength.

Old Testament

Alexander died suddenly, and his vast empire was split into 4 parts.  Ptolemy received Egypt, Seleucid received Persia and Syria, Cassander received Anatolia and Lysimachus received Greece.

Out of the kingdom of Seleucid eventually came Antiochus IV, Epiphanes.  He launched campaigns against Egypt in the south and Babylon and Mede-Persia in the East.  But, most importantly of all, he is known for his dominance and persecution of God’s holy people and God’s holy Temple in Jerusalem.

New Testament

Franklin Delano Roosevelt died suddenly after World War II, and the Allies that he formed divided up Germany (and Europe) into 4 main partitions.  The French, the British, the Soviets and the Americans each retaining influence over their respective partition.

Out of the Soviet controlled Eastern European countries eventually came John Paul II, who was the first non-Italian papal claimant for about 500 years.  But also, Communists were seeking to infiltrate the Church in general.  Vatican II did not denounce Communism, and John XXIII made favorable remarks concerning Communists.  Italy was in the south east portion of non-communist Europe.  Thus, the little horn became strong against the South-East, because it became strong in Italy.

Daniel 8: 10-12

10 And it was magnified even unto the strength of heaven: and it threw down of the strength, and of the stars, and trod upon them.

11 And it was magnified even to the prince of the strength: and it took away from him the continual sacrifice, and cast down the place of his sanctuary.

12 And strength was given him against the continual sacrifice, because of sins: and truth shall be cast down on the ground, and he shall do and shall prosper.

Old Testament

The little horn of Antiochus IV Epiphanes took over Jerusalem.  He stopped Jewish worship and the true Jewish priesthood.  He stopped the continual sacrifice in the Temple.  He stopped the practice of the Mosaic law in Jerusalem, and Jewish Truth, revealed to them by God, was cast down and trodden upon.

New Testament

The rebellion that occurred after Vatican II and Novus Ordo was unstoppable.  Traditional priests were driven into ‘hiding places’.  The continual Sacrifice that was offered in the Tridentine Mass, from the rising of the sun to it’s setting…. this Mass was taken away.

Catholic Truth concerning the primacy of the Catholic Faith, ‘No Salvation Outside the Church’, and other Catholic doctrines and pious practices were cast down and trodden upon.  There was no one who could stop the power of the ‘Spirit of Vatican II”.